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	<title>Comments on: Culture Making Quotation</title>
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		<title>By: jen oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>jen oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 03:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting that engaging in either consumption or condemnation for the sake of itself leads to the opposite of the virtues sought by those who worship either modus for its own sake: cultural irrelevance and an inability (or stubborn refusal) to think critically. Someone who has to insist that he or she is &quot;hip&quot; is, well, not. And someone who condemns based solely on a party line (the left or the right) has declared himself free of the burden of hard questions. Let&#039;s rather rejoice in the freedom which is in Christ, and sweat and strive hard for fair and honest thinking under the constraints of his purifying love.

PS-No evangelicals or fundamentalists were (intentionally) maligned in the making of this comment; I meant a general exhortation to those who earnestly seek to follow Christ, whatever banner is flying highest at the moment ;o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that engaging in either consumption or condemnation for the sake of itself leads to the opposite of the virtues sought by those who worship either modus for its own sake: cultural irrelevance and an inability (or stubborn refusal) to think critically. Someone who has to insist that he or she is &#8220;hip&#8221; is, well, not. And someone who condemns based solely on a party line (the left or the right) has declared himself free of the burden of hard questions. Let&#8217;s rather rejoice in the freedom which is in Christ, and sweat and strive hard for fair and honest thinking under the constraints of his purifying love.</p>
<p>PS-No evangelicals or fundamentalists were (intentionally) maligned in the making of this comment; I meant a general exhortation to those who earnestly seek to follow Christ, whatever banner is flying highest at the moment ;o)</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Olinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Olinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 18:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colin,

Crouch&#039;s observation is excellent. In my evangelical days in New England I saw a number of my fellow Christians who seemed to be obsessed with the notion of being cool--so cool that the lost would want to get a piece of the cool action in Jesus. That was the driving force behind the early days of CCM (back when we just called it &quot;Christian rock&quot;).

I later began the practice of referring to evangelical thinking as &quot;groovier than thou.&quot;

I also saw a lot of evangelical stereotyping of fundamentalism--the assumption, for example, that anyone on the right was necessarily in the &quot;Condemn culture&quot; camp (something that Crouch seems to fall into above). I found that to be very much untrue in my personal journey from evangelicalism into fundamentalism. In fact, my fundamentalist colleagues were in the &quot;Create culture&quot; camp decades ago, as a careful reading of Ron Horton&#039;s *Christian Education: Its Mandate and Mission* (http://www.bjupress.com/product/058586) will show.

I&#039;ll quickly admit that fundamentalists have done relatively little to create culture on a noticeable scale; reasons for this would be worth investigating. But some of them, anyway, were philosophically in that boat long before it was being actively expressed on the evangelical side--perhaps even before evangelicalism became distinguishable from fundamentalism in the 1940s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colin,</p>
<p>Crouch&#8217;s observation is excellent. In my evangelical days in New England I saw a number of my fellow Christians who seemed to be obsessed with the notion of being cool&#8211;so cool that the lost would want to get a piece of the cool action in Jesus. That was the driving force behind the early days of CCM (back when we just called it &#8220;Christian rock&#8221;).</p>
<p>I later began the practice of referring to evangelical thinking as &#8220;groovier than thou.&#8221;</p>
<p>I also saw a lot of evangelical stereotyping of fundamentalism&#8211;the assumption, for example, that anyone on the right was necessarily in the &#8220;Condemn culture&#8221; camp (something that Crouch seems to fall into above). I found that to be very much untrue in my personal journey from evangelicalism into fundamentalism. In fact, my fundamentalist colleagues were in the &#8220;Create culture&#8221; camp decades ago, as a careful reading of Ron Horton&#8217;s *Christian Education: Its Mandate and Mission* (<a href="http://www.bjupress.com/product/058586" rel="nofollow">http://www.bjupress.com/product/058586</a>) will show.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll quickly admit that fundamentalists have done relatively little to create culture on a noticeable scale; reasons for this would be worth investigating. But some of them, anyway, were philosophically in that boat long before it was being actively expressed on the evangelical side&#8211;perhaps even before evangelicalism became distinguishable from fundamentalism in the 1940s.</p>
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